Hi Michael, The 2um thick nitride is quite thick. The thickest I've grown is 1.2um. Do you know what the stress is? Did you use the Berkeley Low stress nitride or regular nitride? I also saw they have a variable stress nitride, which i am guessing is even lower stress with higher DCS:NH3 ratios. According to their web site, even the low stress nitride has a stress of around 300MPa (Is this info correct?), this could still be too high for your application. With the variable stress nitride you can proably get stress lower to 100MPa but maintaining film thickness and stress uniformity from wafer to wafer becomes more difficult. An oxide layer under the nitride could introduce some compressive stress and may reduce some of the cracking that your seeing. good luck dave kharas Ph.D. Sarcon Microsystems dave_Kharas@yahoo.com Dave Forwarded Message From: "Michael D Martin"Subject: [mems-talk] Frustrated by 2um Nitride Release! Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:09:36 -0400 To: mems-talk@memsnet.org Plain Text Attachment [ Save to my Yahoo! Briefcase | Download File ] Hi, I've been trying to use a 2 micron thick LPCVD silicon nitride layer (from the Berkley Fab) for release to produce a suspended membrane over an area of 7mm x 7 mm. The wafers are (100) and the only layer on them is the silicon nitride. That is, there is no oxide between the wafer and nitride. Techniques I've tried for release: DRIE Samples are diced and adhered to a handle wafer. The nitride is the stop layer. Incidentally, the nitride works as a great stop layer contrary to what STS claims. The adhesives between die and handle I've tried are super glue, resist, thermal grease, and more. No mater what I've tried the samples are fractured when they come out of the DRIE. DRIE+KOH In this approach I DRIE until I'm about to reach the nitride (about 10-20 microns of silicon left) then I put the die into KOH. I've tried this with 200 rpm stirring, no stirring and very small solution volumes to reduce convection all to no avail! I'm begining to think there is too much tension although I think these exact films were used to make X-ray masks that were released to form membranes as large a 1 cmm in diameter. Is there some technique to introduce compressive stress in the film to compensate? Any input is welcome, Mike Martin U of Louisville Fab. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com