Yes, From an old timer who used Piranha in England in the 60's to = clean photo resist. It works like crazy, is an exothermal reaction and = the fumes usdto eat my wooden etch benches. When plastic etch benches = arrived we felt better but ignired what the fumes may be doing to = operators. It is a 50/50 mixture of H2SO4 and H2O2. It is exothermal = boils like crazy and eats any organics. it needs safe handling and is = expensive to keep buying chemicals and also it is expensive to get rid = of chemicals. Oxygen plasma is contained in a vacuum chamber but it serves the = same purpose it wil eat any organic, usually in just about the same time = frame as Piranha. Down side it is a line of sight process and the = plasma energy depletes as the sqaure of the distance from the elecrtrode = or microwave diode producing the energy. The shape of the plasma = generator and the chamber shape is important. The frequency does not = matter it is a question of selecting the right frequency for the = chamber. For microwave plasma usually 2.45 Gh/z, beamed high energy = into a small chamberfor resist stripping. For Inductive plasma usually = 13.45 or 13.56 Mh/z and a round chamber with the inductive coil wraper = arround the chamber. The energy is obvously radial and the centre of the = chamber gets cleaned about 2 times longer than the outside edges. = Capacitive typically 40 to 50 Kh/z and flat electrodes producing plasma = and flat shelves for the parts. Benefits of plasma systems are no dangerous fumes to worry about = and very low chemical costs. Typical unit will run on one cylinder of = gas about $250.00 for 3 months. Also a plasma unit can use other gas = plasmas for selective etching of specific components. Down side is the = expense of the initial purchase. Ozone plasma is an attempt to produce an organic eater without the = expense of a plasma unit. It works but is very slow as the available = energy is low. A direct example I can quote is a 1KW microwave resist = stripper with the wafer at 150 degrees C takes 35 seconds to strip a = 10,000 Anstrom layer of resist. A 1 KW deep UV ozone generator takes = nearly 4 minutes with the wafer at 350 degrees C. As the resist = stripping action follows the laws of physice and the reaction is faster = at higher temperature it is obvious the ozone generato has less energy. = It can also only produce ozone and can not do selective chemical etching = with other activated gasses. For more informaon contact me directly, I can bore you for hours = with lots of technical details. Bill Moffat ________________________________ From: mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org on behalf of Jauniskis, Linas Sent: Fri 5/12/2006 2:49 PM To: mems-talk@memsnet.org Subject: [mems-talk] relative virtues of organics cleaning processes Hello all, Could anyone comment on the relative virtues of organic cleaning processes like piranha etch, oxygen plasma and uv/ozone? Do they all accomplish the same thing at the end of the day and your choice is then driven by materials and process compatibility issues; or is one more effective than the others; or is each most effective on different types of organic contaminants? Thanks in advance for your insights. Linas.