Dear MEMS comunity to come to permanent hydrophilic systems we experienced that any after processing (like plasma is) is not long time stable so we process materials which are intrinsic hydrophilic (down to 130) (or hydrophbic if needed up to 130) For details please see downloads at our website Best regards Andrea www.microtec-d.com -----Original Message----- From: mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org [mailto:mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org] On Behalf Of Bill Moffat Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:25 PM To: General MEMS discussion Subject: RE: [mems-talk] how to make SU8 (permanent) hydrophlic? Wang Yang, Typically we use plasma to produce hydrophilic surfaces and silanes to produce hydrophobic surfaces. In time factors I found for example taking Teflon with a contact angle of 120 degrees, a 1 minute Argon plasma can produce a 2 to 3 degree surface. A week later it had changed to 15 degrees a week later 30 degrees. Months later it is back to 120 degrees. While writing this I conferred with our silane/plasma engineer. He agrees with your statement of a week to return to the old contact angle. Discussing Hydrophilic silanes with our silane expert it turns out that Gelest has a line of silanes it describes as hydrophilic, Polar non-Hydrogen bonding. Of 20 compounds listed about 90% are cyano's We have not used these compounds so we have no direct experience or results. Ken our silane expert is interested in testing one of these compounds so we may have later news for you.