Hello there, Thanks a lot for Igor and Peter's reply to my previous question. May I also repeat my story here? A gold finish is required to my nickel part (electroplated nickel). The problem is that electroless gold won't stick well to the nickel surface(lift problem). I tried the acid dip from Igor's advice with various time scale, but it improved very little in term of adhesion. I also tried woods nickel strike to put on a fresh nickel on the 'old' nickel surface. The fresh nickel stick very well on the 'old' surface. However, the electroless gold can still be easily peeled off from the woods nickel. I am wondering whether electroless gold can only be used together with electroless nickel (with crucial role of phosphorous). Would you please help me if you can. Many thanks! James -----Original Message----- From: mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org [mailto:mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org] On Behalf Of IGOR KADIJA Sent: 24 May 2007 00:56 To: General MEMS discussion Subject: Re: [mems-talk] Activation of 'old' nickel surface The 5% HCl is rather week for the purpose. I would expose "old" Ni at least 1 min to 15% HCl (50/50, H2O/conc HCl) and then proceed with longer time on a trial and error basis if needed. However, you should have at least several hundred nanometers of Ni under the Ni oxide/old Ni, to maintain Ni continuity. Remember, after removing oxide you need to transfer for plating immdiately. Typically, significant Ni oxide grows back within few minutes. Igor Kadija www.fibrotools.com