I was thinking the same thing. Surface prep is usually the main cause of adhesion problems. Dan -----Original Message----- From: mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org [mailto:mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org] On Behalf Of shay kaplan Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 5:39 AM To: benabe@mail.usf.edu; 'General MEMS discussion' Subject: Re: [mems-talk] Adhesion on Alumina Evelyn How are you preparing the substrate surface before evap? Shay