I am assuming that you are having trouble removing the polymer that is under patterned material. One thing to look at is to see if you can get a solvent to remove the polymer, such as NMP. Oxygen plasma can be used quite well to get under dielectric layers as long as there isn't some unreasonable geometry. What you need to do is have a plamsa that is isotropic in nature or downstream from a plasma with a lot of free radical oxygen or other reactive species. However, what I am surprised is that you take 3 hours to remove 2,000 angstroms polymer. What polymer is this, polyimide? This suggests perhaps your problem. The lateral undercut of organics is going to be less than the rate of removal in the open areas. So if you take 3 hours to remove 2,000 angstroms, then to undercut a very small feature such as 4 microns, would take, (20000 A/(2000/3hr) or 30 hours at least. Since you are making MEMS devices I suspect you need to do more lateral etching than 2 microns. It sounds like you might be using a barrel asher. I would go to a diode plasma etcher set up. I don't think you need an inductively coupled plasma. So I would work to make your oxygen plasma more intense and isotropic increasing power and pressure. Higher temperature increases reactivity of substrates with ozone and reactive species. Gap might need to be adjusted. Wider gap I think is less isotropic, if I remember correctly. Be CAREFUL that you don't cure your polymer with too high a temperature which would make removal worse. Ed -- Independent Process Engineer -----Original Message----- From: mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org [mailto:mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org] On Behalf Of onny setya Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:23 AM To: General MEMS discussion Subject: [mems-talk] hard ashing polymer (if Al deposited): possible isotropic etch by ICP? Hello everyone, I'm having difficulty removing the polymer under the dielectric material whose Al is around 60nm deposited on it We have done these steps: on the substrate: ~600nm SiO2 or SiNx are deposited; then ~200nm polymer is applied, after that again 600nm SiO2 or SiNx layer, and the last is Al ~60-100nm (ebeam evaporation) I removed completely the polymer, for around 3h, using an asher (oxygen-plasma) if the samples don´t have the Al layer on it. For the same ashing process I didn´t get the same result for another sample whoose Al on it. That´s why I would like to know: does anyone know whether it´s possible to get isotropic etching using only oxygen gas (maybe using ICP)? Or any suggestion will be appreciated. Many thanks! Onny Setyawati