Dear Onny, The Al is over the SiNx so it can't be leaving a residue on the polymer and so it shouldn't have an effect. Though if you want to try a different metal, give it a try. It would likely give some insight whether the test is successful or not. I patented a stupid process years ago with Al over polyimide and got it to life off quite easily in an old Tegal etcher. You say, "But the cantilevers in sample no. 1 seemed stuck to the substrate." I would SEM them and see what is actually happening. It might be that the Al/SiNx ribbon is flexing downward or falling downward. Or doing polymer removal the stip is curling down at the edges. (rather fanciful speculation I know.) A SEM could be very informative. Again, try NMP it will clean off easily resist burnt on hot plates, labels, attack clean room gloves and most everything. I am assuming your process is: 1. Spin polymer 2. Deposit SiNx 3. Deposit Al 4. Photomask pattern. 5. Etch Al (Plasma or wet?) 6. Etch SiNx 7. Strip photoresist? (wet or plasma?) 8. Oxygen plasma undercut. Ed -----Original Message----- From: mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org [mailto:mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org] On Behalf Of onny setya Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:30 AM To: General MEMS discussion Subject: Re: [mems-talk] hard ashing polymer (if Al deposited):possible isotropic etch by ICP? Hallo Ed, thank you for your info. Yes, I use the polymer (not polyimide but nanoimprint-polymer) as ´sacrificial layer´, so its layer is underneath the SiNx (or any dielectric), and Al is deposited on the SiNx and then the polymer should be removed after that. I have compared 2 samples for 3h undercuting using an asher:1) with Al, 2) without Al. The structure we investigated _to check the undercuting process_ looks like a cantilever ca.100µm in lenght, 10µm in width. All of them in sample no. 2 are peeled off. But the cantilevers in sample no.1 seemed stuck to the substrate. I will try to undercut the 1st-sample much longer. or maybe we need to use other metals to replace Al? regards, Onny