There are better chemical than HMDS and TCMS. For release agents you are looking for the highest achievable water contact angle. Teflon has 13 fluorine molecules facing out and a contact angle of 120 degrees. With a heptadecafluoride there are 17 fluorine molecules facing out and a contact angle of 130 degrees. Good news but the real secret is to totally dehydrate before the chemical sees the mold. If it sees moisture it reacts with the moisture but breaks free later when it sees moist room air. This gives erratic surface tension modification. How big are your molds? Bill -----Original Message----- From: mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org [mailto:mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org] On Behalf Of Shao Guocheng Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:37 PM To: General MEMS discussion Subject: HDMS treatment of SU8 mold used for PDMS thin film fabrication Hi, Bill, thx for the reply. sorry, I do actually mean HMDS. I want to silanize the mold so it will be easier to release PDMS film from the SU8 mold. I know people usually use TMCS. But heard some people say HMDS can work as well. How long do I need to do the treatment if put couple drops of HMDS along with my SU8 mold into a evacuated dessicator?. thx Shao