The fracture strength of a 30 um membrane which is 5x5 mm^2 should be high enough that you don't have to be ultra-careful (but, still, be careful!); it should be over 100 psid. I don't have the equations right at my desk, but feel free to email me if you'd like to know more exact estimates of fracture strength from my experience with similar membranes. Kirt is right about depletion, but there could also be a stress effect during the initial etching; although I did not experience this effect. Did you measure the stress in your nitride film? Al --- Albert K. Henning, PhD Director of MEMS Technology NanoInk, Inc. 215 E. Hacienda Avenue Campbell, CA 95008 408-379-9069 ext 101 ahenning@nanoink.net -----Original Message----- From: Andrea Mazzolari [mailto:mazzolari@fe.infn.it] Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 1:58 AM To: kirt_williams@sbcglobal.net Cc: 'General MEMS discussion' Subject: Re: [mems-talk] silicon membranes Hi Kirt, i already tried adding Sb2O3 as surfactant, surfaces were mirror like, so surfactant was working well. Agitation was realized with a magnetic stirrer, but was not so strong. I'm afraid that strong agitation may destroy membranes. Ok, if etching at room temperature will not work i will try with ultrasound. In any case i need to realize just 4-5 membranes, and i have a lot of time to realize them, so i can accept to realize etching at room temperature. Best regards, Andrea