I think the only way that HF can make silicon hydrophobic is to remove all the silicon dioxide and leave virgin silicon. A situation that lasts as long as it takes the silicon to regrow oxide in astmosphere. Not long. A monolayer chemical modification can turn the surface into a true hydrophobic surface. The correct chemicals can produce a surface that is slicker than Teflon. This surface can survive aggresive treatments. Bill Moffat ________________________________________ From: mems-talk-bounces+bmoffat=yieldengineering.com@memsnet.org [mems-talk- bounces+bmoffat=yieldengineering.com@memsnet.org] on behalf of Jie Zou [zoujiepku@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:53 AM To: General MEMS discussion Subject: Re: [mems-talk] dicing problem with silicon wafer Doesn't HF do that for Si wafers? I don't know for the Pt surfaces. Jie