One technique that may work is plasma surface activation. When bonding Teflon to Teflon if you plasma activate it makes it possible. When Teflon is in its original state it is very slick and hydrophobic. This can be tested with a unit to measure water contact angle called a Goniometer. It measures 120 degrees, in other words water will roll of easily. With about 1 minute of Argon plasma the contact angle changes to about 2 to 3 degrees. This means the surface area has been increased and bonding is possible. Checking for time to return to normal. After 1 week the contact angle was 15 degrees still O.K. for bonding. After 2 weeks about 30 degrees, after 3 weeks about 60 degrees, after 4 weeks back to 120 degrees. The Argon plasma is inert and will not oxidize ant surfaces, this may be the secret. Bill Moffat -----Original Message----- From: mems-talk-bounces+bmoffat=yieldengineering.com@memsnet.org [mailto:mems- talk-bounces+bmoffat=yieldengineering.com@memsnet.org] On Behalf Of Yunda Wang Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:06 PM To: Shane GUO; General MEMS discussion Subject: Re: [mems-talk] Bonding Kapton with PDMS Hi, One thing I learned is that Kapton bond to almost nothing. One of our group member used to do Si/PDMS bonding and she suffered a problem that the PDMS also bond to a copper fixture she used to apply pressure on it. I suggested her to tape kapton on the fixture to isolate the PDMS from the fixture because kapton is something don't adhere and can sustain the temperature. It works. Best