Nathan, Pasted below is the protocol for this in gas phase from an older email from this list about the topic. Note that you don't need a plasma cleaner as it look like your email implies, a cheap vacuum desiccator with a roughing pump will work fine to do this in gas phase. However, if you really want to use a liquid phase, FDTS is soluble in most alcohols. Dissolve the liquid FDTS in methanol, and you can get it to work (though I don't have a protocol for that handy). After contacting, rinse off the unbound FDTS with another shot of pure alcohol (whatever one you're using) and bake as below. Keep in mind that you should store anything with an exposed silane in nitrogen or argon when not in use. Also, note that the purpose of the FDTS is not bonding to the PDMS. PDMS will adhere (and bond under the right conditions) to an exposed oxide. The FTDS blocks the oxide with a long fluorocarbon chain (the silane bonds to the oxide, and the FC chain sticks up from the surface). - Kevin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kevin Paul NicholsDate: Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [mems-talk] Best way to spin PDMS for making sheets? To: General MEMS discussion Nathan, To get PDMS to come off, you don't need a very well controlled hydrophobic layer. Just use perfluorodecyltrichlorosilane (FDTS) applied in a vacuum desiccator, and then baked at ~110. You can find FDTS suppliers here: http://www.chemexper.com/ 1) Place your Si wafers (with no PDMS on them, this is just so you end up with a long fluorinated molecule sticking up from the surface so the PDMS will peel off easily later) in a vacuum desiccator connected to house vacuum (do a google image search for vacuum desiccator to see what these look like). 2) Place 10-20 uL of FDTS in a small container (the top of an eppendorf tube works well) in the bottom of the chamber (location doesn't matter much). 3) Pull house vacuum, and leave them for ~2 hours (exact time will be more or less depending on the vacuum strength and container size). 4) Bake the wafers at 110 for ~2 hours. There are lots of methods out there to get higher contact angles, but that will be good enough. If you have a goniometer, measure the static contact angle and check that it's at least 90 with DI water. If you don't have a goniometer handy, just pipette (or somehow dispense) a few microliters of DI water on the surface, and make sure that it forms tight balls that roll around easily. Also, keep in mind that most people use PDMS precisely because you don't need to ablate, etch, or otherwise chemically attack it. You can just use "soft lithography" which uses a stamp to mold the PDMS as it cures. Si molds are common, but glass and metal (even CNC machined brass molds are good enough for some microfluidic applications). There are hundreds of papers out there describing it, if you're interested. _______________________________________________ Hosted by the MEMS and Nanotechnology Exchange, the country's leading provider of MEMS and Nanotechnology design and fabrication services. Visit us at http://www.mems-exchange.org Want to advertise to this community? See http://www.memsnet.org To unsubscribe: http://mail.mems-exchange.org/mailman/listinfo/mems-talk