Hello, Yes, I have found the solution with the help of Coventor. Before I mention the cause, let me address your questions in case someone out there finds this useful. >user-specified heat flux, I have to guess that the heat flux off the >surfaces may be greater than the heat generated within the solid. This The surprising thing was that it appeared that heat was flowing out of the hotplate surface to the statically convecting (non-forced flow) air even though the temperature of the air was higher than the hotplate surface. This would be a violation of Fourier's law. >You say that the lower temperature appears BETWEEN the metal heater and >the holes. Does this occurs while the external surface temperatures are >above ambient? Temperatures below ambient occurred in a region between holes that perforate a nitride layer and a 25 micron wide Pt heater. This happened when the heater was actually above ambient. The problem turns out to have been caused by an incorrect material property. Specifically, the thermal conductivity of the nitride layer was 7 orders of magnitude too low. Of course, when I began the simulation I looked up these properties and had entered the correct values. At some point, perhaps while moving some of the files around, I must have changed the MPD (Material Properties Database) file I was using. In short the lesson is: Always check your material properties if your getting weird results even if your sure you have correct values. Thanks for the help Coventor! Mike Martin >>> Raj Gupta05/14/02 08:27PM >>> Hi Michael, Have you found an answer to your problem? Not knowing exactly the boundary conditions you have set, specifically the emissivity and any user-specified heat flux, I have to guess that the heat flux off the surfaces may be greater than the heat generated within the solid. This can happen in reality, such as what causes dew formation on a car left outdoors overnight. One would guess for your situation, the reality is far from your simulated results. You say that the lower temperature appears BETWEEN the metal heater and the holes. Does this occurs while the external surface temperatures are above ambient? Are you using forced convection? Keep in mind that thermal conductivity to ambient through normal convection will scale with geometry. Reynold's number is much smaller on micron dimensions, and turbulent flow which can assist in forced convection will not be as efficient on smaller dimensions. Let me know how you manage to solve this problem. I am very curious. Regards, Raj Michael D Martin wrote: > Hi, Does anyone have experience with modeling hotplates or using the > ETherm module in MEM CAD? I am trying to model some hotplates with > meander type heaters and holes in them. The problem is that I keep > getting temps that are below the ambient temp that is set in a > convection-radiation boundary condition on the top and bottom of the > plate. The problem seems to occur between the metal heater and the holes > in a nitride support layer. Unfortunately, Coventor has NOT been too > helpful so far. > > Thanks, > Mike -- Raj Gupta, Director Nanotechnology & MEMS Consulting 33 Vandewater Street Suite 205 San Francisco, CA 94133-1967 Website: http://www.mindspring.com/~rajgupta