Fred, Depending on the epoxy - I have seen improved adhesion by using either a H2, N2, O2 or Ar plasma - Most chemical dip solutions are specific to the type of polymer or epoxy and most of the time I have either found stuff in literature or made up my own recipe - I seen tricks like biasing the substrate when sputtering your metal to get the atoms below the surface of the epoxy. I'm not sure if vapor prime HMDS would help in this situation. As far as a metal combination that would work better it would depend on what your trying to do - but a good rule of thumb is Cr and Ti make pretty good adhesion layers. Thanks, Greg Miller KVH Industries Email: gmiller@kvh.com -----Original Message----- From: Fred Hussain [mailto:fh1@techprt.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:31 AM To: mems-talk@memsnet.org Subject: [mems-talk] Adhesion of metal to epoxy substrates Dear Collegues, I am looking for any advice/information on how to improve adhesion of evaporated metal (nichrome + gold) onto thermo-epoxy based substrates. In particular, information on chemical and physical (plasma) surface pre-treatments and/or alternative metals which may have a distinct advantage over nichrome and gold, would be highly appreciated. Thanking you in advance, Fred. _______________________________________________ MEMS-talk@memsnet.org mailing list: to unsubscribe or change your list options, visit http://mail.mems-exchange.org/mailman/listinfo/mems-talk Hosted by the MEMS Exchange, providers of MEMS processing services. Visit us at http://www.memsnet.org/