Greetings, A while back on the US MEMS mailing list there was discussion on creating a Usenet newsgroup for MEMS and MST. For those who are not familiar with the Usenet, it is a world-wide network of over 9000 discussion groups. A newsgroup (with world-wide propagation) can have a readership of anywhere from 200 to 200,000 people. Most institutes have a Usenet news feed along with Internet connectivity, and with news browsing software, you can search for, read and subscribe to any group, world-wide, with a couple of key strokes. With the existing mailing lists, discussion on MEMS topics are confined to those who can find out about the lists and subscribe. In addition, information discussed within each of these groups is typically independent of the other groups. I'm sure there have been discussions that have taken place on one list that everyone could have benefited from. A Usenet newsgroup would allow everyone, world-wide, to participate in discussion concurrently. Another reason I am attempting to start this newsgroup is to bring the science further into the realm of the general public. By opening up discussion to people with expertise in other areas who might have fresh new ideas it's possible that these people will come up with a novel approach to a problem that the experts dismissed out of hand due to established principles. While the current mailing lists are crucial for exchange between people in our field, I think starting this newsgroup will open up a whole new avenue for the advancement of our science In summary, creating a newsgroup for micromachining will help the science develop in a number of ways. Firstly, it will allow a more uniform circulation of knowledge amongst individuals and groups in our field. It will also make it easier for so called "laymen" to learn about the existence of micromachining. This, I feel, will be good for the development of our science in the long run. The first step in the process of creating a newsgroup is coming up with a viable RFD (request for discussion). I have written the basic version of this RFD and am posting it to three mailing lists related to micromachining, one based in the USA, one in Europe and one in Canada. It will be a structured version of much of what I've written here. Normally one would post the RFD directly to the news groups: news.announce.newgroups and news.groups where debate on the charter of the group would take place for one month. Often there is much discussion of little points and nuances that prolong the debate. Sometimes second and third RFDs have to be issued. By posting to these mailing lists first, I hope that we can all iron out the charter of the group beforehand. This will greatly reduce any unnecessary or counter productive debate on the Usenet. I have seen more than a couple newsgroups fail to pass due to needless squabbling. Once we have polished the RFD, I will post it on the appropriate Usenet newsgroups and a world-wide 30 day discussion can take place. Anyone with access to the Usenet can continue to take part in the debate. Hopefully we will have reached a reasonable consensus here and can be supportive of the resulting RFD during that discussion period. I would estimate that over 99% of the people reading this message have access to the Usenet. After the 30 day discussion period has passed, if all the fine points of the group charter have been ironed out (and presumably most will have been previously dealt with in the mailing lists), then I will issue a CFV (call for votes). This will include voting guidelines, the cutoff dates, the final charter and an embryonic FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions about micromachining) for the group (which I hope people here will be able to help me with). Voting software run by a neutral party will then take votes by email for one month. At the end of the month, if 2/3 of the votes are YES and there are 100 more YES votes than NO votes, then the group is created and propagated around the world. Here are a couple of major (perhaps) sticking points that I will bring up in this introductory message that are reflected in the actual RFD that we will be discussing. 1) Newsgroup name. I think out of the eight standard newsgroup hierarchies, "sci." is reasonably evident. Since this is a fairly unique topic, I think it should have its own hierarchy after that. In other words, I don't think we should place it in the sci.engr. or the sci.physics. hierarchy. The real question becomes what to name the group itself. sci.mems or sci.mst are possibilities, but these acronyms won't be apparent to new comers. The name should be as descriptive as possible, trying to encourage people who are not knowledgeable of the science to take an interest and contribute to discussion. sci.microsystems or sci.micromachines seems like two good possibilities. Microsystems may be more accurate, micromachines might be more descriptive for those who are newcomers. 2) Moderation. Moderation is a mechanism whereby each and every post can be screened by a moderator for appropriateness. Posts not conforming to the charter will typically be returned with an explanation. Unmoderated groups are an open architecture in which each person posting is responsible for his own content. I have the following reasons to present the group as unmoderated. As this is a developing science in many ways, I feel we could benefit with the "stream of consciousness" that is common on unmoderated newsgroup discussion threads. Admittedly there is often a high "signal to noise" ratio on many threads, but most news browsing software allows for a certain amount of filtering. I have seen some unmoderated scientific or professional newsgroups become too crowded with junk posts, but in cases where that happened, the solution was fairly simple. A moderated group was added to the hierarchy. In our case it would be sci.microsystems.research or sci.microsystems.moderated, two common themes on the Usenet. Historically, successful newsgroups increase in volume of posts and expand to develop their own sub-hierarchies. Over time our sci.microsystems (or sci.micromachines) hierarchy might develop the following groups: sci.microsystems.research sci.microsystems.mems sci.microsystems.bio sci.microsystems.chem sci.microsystems.materials sci.microsystems.packaging sci.microsystems.processing etc. 3) The newsgroup description. This is a one-line description that associates with the group and will be shown on some news readers. It shouldn't be longer than 50 characters. I propose: "Devices enabled by microstructures." Finally, unrelated to the actual newsgroup creation, here are directions on how to subscribe to the various mailing lists that I have sent this message to. USA --- Send email to: mems-request@isi.edu providing your e-mail address. Name of list: mems@isi.edu (moderated) Europe ------ Send email to: majordomo@cardiff.ac.uk containing the phrase: subscribe mstnet Name of list: mstnet@cardiff.ac.uk (not moderated?) Canada ------ Send email to Dan Gale at gale@cmc.ca with the request to join the MEMS mailing list. Name of list: mems@cmc.ca (moderated) Best regards, -Chris Raum -- .+'''+. Christopher Raum - craum@robinhood.engg.uregina.ca R A U M Faculty of Engineering, University of Regina `+.,.+' Regina, Saskatchewan, S4S-0A2, Canada Tel: (306)565-2960 Fax: (306)585-4855