I just have one teensy suggestion for Quixote 1.0 which you are quite welcome to tar and feather me for if you wish. The suggestion is to factor out the PTL dependency in the Quixote forms package, so that it would be possible to run a complete Quixote application, including forms, without PTL and without having to invoke enable_ptl. This involves only modifying the rendering-related methods in the Form class so that they are no longer PTL templates. Although PTL is quite handy, and I initially used it a lot in my app, I ended up ripping it all out, partly because of a fanatical need for code stability, partly because of headaches with PTL in my PythonWorks development environment, and partly out of a wish to have all my code be completely transparent, e.g. with no hidden html-quoting going on. (I appreciate the reasons for doing that in PTL; I just don't want to do it that way in my app). Quixote is a wonderful tool for developing web applications in Python, and it would be nice if a Quixote application could be 100% "stock" Python, for them that are not inclined to use templates. Don't make the tar too hot, please.... Jim Dukarm DELTA-X RESEARCH