You both have been very helpful. I think I have it working now. I think part of the problem was my class' __init__ was looking for the request object. David could you elaborate on using a classmethod for _q_index. If it has already been posted I would be happy to search the mail archives. Thanks again for the help. -Brian -----Original Message----- From: David Binger To: Neil Schemenauer Cc: Merrell, Brian L.; quixote-users@mems-exchange.org Sent: 10/3/2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Quixote-users] Traversing objects without using _q_lookup Or, you could define _q_index as a classmethod. > instantiate it. You could do something like this: