Graham> I've written a slightly cleaner Nevow implementation. I know that Quixote is aimed at programmers, but I find it hard to believe that obscuring the HTML as much as something like Nevow does is a good thing in the long run. Somewhere along the way someone's likely to want a professionally designed website. It seems that it would be an awful lot of work to take a web designer's HTML mockup and convert it to something like Nevow. It still wouldn't be trivial with PTL, but I think it would be a lot easier. Just my two cents, Skip