On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Neil Schemenauer wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 01:55:31PM -0400, daniel.chudnov@yale.edu wrote:
> > dulcinea, I see that dulcinea-0.3 now speaks Durus, not ZODB.
> Dulcinea has undergone a lot of change in the last few months
> (hopefully for the better).  Unfortunately, Dulcinea is still much
> less mature than Quixote.  Watch out for other changes as well.

thanks for these messages - i had missed the 0.3 release, although had
been kind of waiting for that (while working on other non-web projects),
and was going to ask if it's gonna use Durus now.

i suppose it still uses Apache, or?

(note: the writeup below does not include any questions really, nor
anything specially interesting i suppose, so please just skip if find it
not relevant)

my current situation is that i've been succesfully prototyping a web app.
& service on Linux, and have used Quixote with Twisted for that. i used
Twisted 'cause had that pre-installed, unlike Medusa, and did not want to
bother with Apache configuration yet. i looked at Dulcinea, but have only
used the form2 DateSelectWidget from there. i don't have any user
management nor persistence yet, and hope to use Dulcinea for that (i might
also use the Calendar etc. classes from there, as there's much datetime
based scheduling in this app)

Durus will probably be fine, as the server mostly holds dictionaries
(encapsulated in classes), that mostly just map pretty simple objects to
each-other (but in potentially complex ways). those dictionaries are
mostly read, and i don't foresee a need to write intensively (like
incrementing an integer in the DB million times a second, thinking back of
of the example problem case someone mentioned here).

i'm unsure about which HTTP server to use, though. we agreed with the
customer (who will first host this) that the first version can be run on
Linux behind Apache. but later the service will be moved to an ISP, which
reportedly uses win2000, and there's been vague talk about IIS. but that
will be sorted out later.

the acute problem is that now i suddenly need to install the server on
another computer, to enable stand-alone demos with it (without a network
connection, that is). that computer is win2000 (though Linux might be used
too, but there would be the additional work of installing that). after
taking a quick glance at Medusa, i think i'll just use Twisted on win2000
too for now (someone on #python said it should work fine, i.e. as well as
anything on win2000 can (he reported experiences that win2000 itself
crashes with long-running processes that use a lot of memory (which this
app doesn't do)))

if i later move to Dulcinea that uses Apache, that certainly should work
on win2000 too, right?

i suppose there are no fatal problems in these approaches, but will of
course be very greateful if someone points out (m)any :o

~Toni

P.S. i'm CCing this to the other guys in our company too, one reason being
that we are currently using Zope for our own things (but have not done any
development with it, just use it to host Wikis etc (like the public ones,
http://studio.kyperjokki.fi/engine/ and
http://studio.kyperjokki.fi/FirstAndLast/ ). interplay of Quixote and Zope
might be interesting for us, if not moving out of Zope to Quixote (or
something else) instead.