I am poking around in Toboso and Dulcenia. I am trying to get the crums library to work. The problem that I am having is that I am not getting the second level of crumbs to work. They are not being written out in the html. I was reading throug the source code to try to figure out what I am doing wrong and I ran into the check for the dynamic directory. I looked at the code in Dulcinea ui user user and now I am throughly confused. Do you use the dynamic directory as a replacement for Quixote's directory? The code for crumbs also as code for building the reference without using the dynamic directory. What signature is needed for the Quixote directory to work? Thanks! -- *********************************** See there, that wasn't so bad. ***********************************