On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 07:00:38PM +0100, Juan David Ibáñez Palomar wrote: > I don't pretend to achieve perfection, I just pretend to improve > my productivity and the productivity of the people I work with. Sorry, I was set off not so much by anything you've said or done aside from that link; this is something that has been simmering for a while. I ought to have made that clear, or even better, decoupled it from your thread. > Again, I don't pretend to say that XPY is for you. Please don't try > to sell me PTL, I like it because of its originality, but it don't > satisfies my requirements. Actually, PTL is the part of Quixote for which I have the least use. (1) The work I've been doing is, so far, 99% data-driven, with negligible templatability. Or, at any rate, with negligble improvement that I can see from sticking the pieces into PTL. It could be I'm wrong about that. And I'm not dismissing whatever you're doing with XPY, at least until I have a chance to take it for a test drive! :-) Your remark about giving the artistes and the coders a common language seems to me far more useful than any amount of talk about separating them. (1) Forms, in the sense of the classes, would come next, I think. Unless there's a really conveninent way to use them for 2 dimensional tables of fields? But they're handy for quick'n'dirty stuff for testing, and may prove their worth in later stages. So too might PTL. -- Anyone who calls economics the dismal science has never been exposed to educationist theories at any length. An hour or two is a surfeit.