Evelyn, The reason you need a more powerful plasma for ashing, is that the resist usually is more difficult to remove after it goes through additional processing. It is more than just the thickness. If you do a descum just after develop, or even after a mild hard bake, it is usually a thin residue, and the resist isn't cross-linked. However, after various processing, the resist might be cross-linked, and more resistant for other reasons. For example, if you did a lift off process, it means you did a metal deposition in a vacuum chamber. The resist will be much tougher to remove, and as you point out, you probably have larger amounts to remove. A vacuum tends to drive cross-linking at lower temperatures. I am not sure what the acrynom "PE" means. However, for the resist removal, you just need a strong O2 plasma. A RIE plasma would be necessary for a really difficult resist removal, if the resist is "fried." "Fried" means the resist after a really high temperature bake or ion implant or something where the resist is really cross-linked, even carbonized (charred). However, if you are removing most of the resist with solvent, it can't be that cross-linked or difficult and you probably don't have thick layers. Regardless of all the issues I mention above, it comes down to putting it in the plasma you have available or you are constrained to by your process requirements, and seeing if it works. It might be that an RIE plasma would work in a certain period of time, and with the plasma you have it will take longer. I don't think a barrel asher would work if you have any heavy residues that are very resistant. Solvents also vary considerably in their ability to strip resist and that might reduce your resist residue to levels manageable with the plasma you have available. Since you don't want to find out that you can't strip resist on your device when you get the step, I would create test vehicles to work out the process and then you know whether you really need RIE. Best of luck. Edward (Ed) H. Sebesta Independent Semiconductor & MEMS Process Engineer -----Original Message----- From: mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org [mailto:mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org] On Behalf Of Evelyn B Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:28 AM To: General MEMS discussion; Evelyn Benabe Subject: [mems-talk] Hard baking. Adhesion. RE: definition of hard bake andhard bake recipes Edward, I have one question regarding your discussion below. I have heard that descum is done after development and ashing is done after lift-off to remove resist residue not removed by the resist solvent. I also understand, that ashing is supposed to be done at a higher power level than descum to increase the rate of removal. But, I have also being told that ashing is done in RIE mode, at high power levels to remove very thick layers of resist. Could you clarify? I am trying to determine if I need to do an ashing step after 3000PY lift-off in RR4 and whether this ashing needs to be done in either PE or RIE mode, the latter having different pressure requirements. Thanks, Evelyn