Hi Chad and Peng, Thanks for Your comments. Syringes with the black o-ring are not used in the cleanroom, because of those things You mentioned. The way of dispensing is not the cause of those bubbles of 1 um ; it causes bigger bubbles, different in size. I cover the whole wafer with SU-8 by "painting" with the syringe before spinning. If I leave the edge of the wafer free from resist, after spinning, these areas have the bigger - irregular in size - bubbles. The homogeneous spread 1 um bubbles have an other cause. Boiling effects during bake? Heating of the resist during lithography by the chromium mask? (I use hard contact mode near UV). Maybe it is related with the thickness I am using (10-20 um). They are not easy to observe, so maybe they exist in thicker layers. With a microscope -light on top and some filters make them visible. Peng, with SEM , You can not always see them on the surface (pivots). Ones I had badly prepared a wafer with a too thin gold layer for SEM-ing and could see the "craters". A "too thick" layer gold covers them completely. Now I degassed (by heating) the SU-8, already present in syringes, and will look how it turns out. Thanks again for discussing this topic! Regards, Herman. -----Original Message----- From: mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org [mailto:mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org] On Behalf Of Brubaker Chad Sent: dinsdag 18 december 2007 22:23 To: General MEMS discussion Cc: Brubaker Chad Subject: RE: [mems-talk] SU-8 (micro)bubbles Also regarding the syringe - does this syringe have a black o-ring? If so, it is very possible that it also contains a silicone lubricant. This lubricant does not typically interact (in my experience), but it can create non-homogenous regions within the resist that can lead to defects. Additionally, the o-ring itself may be vulnerable to attack from GBL (the solvent in the original formulation of SU-8). The previous poster may also have a point regarding inclusion of bubbles from syringe loading. I have quite a bit of experience loading SU-8 (original, 2000, and 3000 formulations, plus KMPR) into syringes (non-o-ring types - Air Tite offers a syringe from HSW called Norm-Ject) with no introduction of bubbles in the manner you mentioned - by pouring into the back of the syringe with the plunger removed. The trick is to pour it in using a manner similar to that used to pour beer with a minimum of foam - by pouring down the side. This allows the material to maintain a laminar profile and not experience any turbulence that can introduce cavitation.