David, I have heard that epoxy does not stick to gold very well. If X.P. Zhu uses solder I can understand the gold flash. But this may not be the best backside coating if he uses epoxy. What do you think? Also he is using copper. That is going to have a huge TCE compared to a ceramic. Depending on the temperature excursion and his bonding method he could run into die cracking problems. However I agree with you that Epoxy is probably his best bet. Regards, Steven J. Adamson President IMAPS Market Manager, Asymtek -----Original Message----- From: mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org [mailto:mems-talk-bounces@memsnet.org] On Behalf Of David Nemeth Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:07 AM To: 'General MEMS discussion' Subject: RE: [mems-talk] About Die Bonding Lawrence, If you are unfamiliar with the process of soldering, you might consider using a conductive epoxy. Since the power dissipation is not high, you have a lot of options. Epotek and Diemat are companies that make epoxies for this specific application. Some are more "elastic" than others, which allows for a mismatch of CTE between your chip and your carrier. But for low power, either should be fine. If you have trouble with it sticking down, you can try gold plating the copper heat sink. There are companies who will do this for a fee, just a very thin "flash" gold layer is all that's needed (probably with a nickel layer underneath?) Soldering down GaAs die is typically done with 80/20 Au/Sn, but it's tricky to get it right. People tend to use conductive epoxy, except for very high power application. You shouldn't have any issues if the backside of the die is gold plated and the carrier is gold plated. It might work without plating on one or the other or both, but I've never tried it. David Nemeth